Conversations with Jesus: In this episode Jesus meets Karl Marx

23/01/09 | Posted by ellen

Over a coffee in Starbucks Jesus and Karl Marx discuss collapse of capitalism, Babel (the tower not the film) and hope.

 revolutionary Jesus

Once upon a time the world had one language, everyone understood each other and shared common values. As the people moved across the world they found a place to settle and hatched a plan:

“Let’s build ourselves a city” The people said with one voice “with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

But God came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. God said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

So God scattered people from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. That is why it was called Babel — because there God confused the language of the whole world. From there God scattered us over the face of the whole earth.
Genesis 11. 1-9

Jesus: You must feel slightly vindicated when you see capitalism collapsing as it did toward the end of 2008?
Karl Marx: To be honest I am quite surprised that it lasted as long as it did. I wasn’t sure that it would stand up to the battering it took during the depression in the 1930’s and have always been surprised that America attempted to maintain it throughout the 20th century and that so many other countries were willing to comply.
JC: In my experience empires come and empires go…
KM: But, I guess that once an edifice has been built people will do anything to sustain it as well as ensuring that nobody finds out how poorly the foundations are being maintained. Bit like the Tower of Babel aye?
JC: Too right. For goodness sake what a remarkably bad plan that was from the start. How do people get so caught up in such badly flawed plans? I mean, haven’t they seen any films, read any stories or been told any jokes about men who think they are better than God or who try to control environments or who try to manipulate or oppress…don’t they know that their efforts are futile? Hasn’t that story been told enough times yet?
KM: Seems like people will never learn!
JC: Never say never Karl…there’s always hope. I never give up hope!
KM: Hope is far too bourgeois (and overrated). What people need is to name their oppression and fight for equality. Until every person is able to have control of their own means of production hope is futile.
JC: Blimey Karl you are such a revolutionary! But, I have often wondered why you have such a downer on hope. Surely, people need hope in order to make sense of their own reality.
KM: Hope is weakness, it keeps people passive, stops them from being able to fight against oppression. People will put up with extra-ordinary pain and suffering if they are given hope. That’s why I think religion is such a repressive thing. It gives people false hope. Creates an artifice around oppression and allows it to be tolerated.
JC: I agree, any religion that does that should be broken down, stripped, shamed and challenged. I’m with you on that. In fact I would give my life in order to see that level of inequity shamed…I would give my life over and over again until that sort of religion was wiped out.
KM: Really?
JC: Yes, indeed. I am not the religious type. If people find themselves worshiping a religion it’s the whole Babel thing all over again! I, like you, am more interested in setting people free, breaking the bonds of oppression and ensuring that equality is universal. However, I happen to think that people need some faith, hope and love to make that happen. Without faith hope and love you simply replace one oppression with another.
KM: What about reason?
JC: Reason is relative!
KM: Jesus, you are joking aren’t you? Don’t get me started!!!!!

It was clear that Karl Marx and Jesus were not going to see eye to eye on this one…but time had caught up with them both so they had to hurry their mini biscuits and drink the last few drops of fairtrade coffee. They parted with a shake of the hand, Jesus saw Karl to door then returned to have another coffee and a chat with a young woman who needed some help filling in her child benefit form.

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#1. By mark on January 26, 2009

Brilliant commentary! Very thought-provoking,challenging, and appropriate (quite a Marxist term!).

Unemployed as I am, I and my family could not exist without hope, still less without the Lord of the Universe, God’s son, Jesus Christ. (:-)

I will return to the site.
God bless you and
thank you, Tom. +

#2. By Tom Norton on February 11, 2009

Maybe if J wrote his words down, or of he did and they survived, we could have the potential for a correct fix on his will and understanding as one MIGHT have on Mordechai Marquez (KM).

I got the gut feeling that J’s archtype was whispering to you, noble author!  J & KM bless you!

#3. By hiyyavrom nachums on April 23, 2009

I think the focal point of mainstream religion has changed - .That’s part of the “see the world in black and white” that the fundamentalists find so important about their “my way or the highway to hell”. Its far easier to use religion as the label for making oneself feel better or more important than someone else. I don’t murder, so I’m better/God loves me more than someone who does.

#4. By pester on June 15, 2009

I was crushed to learn that J. Panther was not a Victorian gentleman, and thus could not be included in my inspired redaction of a Seder conversation with KM, Disraeli, and J. Benjamin.

I am even more disappointed that millions have not seen this.  I would broadcast it, but check with J or KM and they will verify that it took me 55 years to learn how to turn on a puter.  I hope that the fact that I have indeed read the whole M.E.G.A. in the official GDR version, will be somewhat atoning.  I’d melt if KM gave me one of his WTF stares at the pearly gates.

#5. By hiyyavrom nachums on July 01, 2009

ooh. really good post! thanks for sharing. I have got something already.

#6. By Alice Radio on July 03, 2009

It is amazing that despite some show of respect for Jesus, that He is made to speak with the tongue of Marx, though what Marx said about hope would rate as proof that Marxism has no real answer for reality, no [prospect] but to make it harder on all for the envy of the few. How is Das Kapital NOT a dissertation of capitalism? Jesus’ only objection was making it the onus of one’s worship, but spoke plainly on enthroning lust in worship. “But if your eye be dim…How great is that darkness!”

#7. By Peter on June 15, 2011

IT is FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE THAT I SEE, somethink like is beautiful and normal comon sence…I could never understand why peoples disociate Jesus and Marx,,

#8. By MAJKUS JOSEPH on November 19, 2011

I use to be marxist ,once I became abeliver in a miraculus way,,I knew that I do not belong to any religion,I ALSO
discover where Marx fail:
Marx did not take in acount
the humain EGO.THE EGO is as big problem as capitalism is.. The tragedy is that the puor people vote by ignorance
for the capitalist..

#9. By MAJKUS JOSEPH on November 20, 2011

it is amasing,I met only two
person in my life, that folows Marx and Jesus..WHY ??
EXCUSE ME for the mistakes I AM not an intelectual…
I VOULD like to know more peoples thinkig that way…

#10. By majkus joseph on November 20, 2011




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